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Postby forumadmin » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:33 am

With the different sized leagues and different date patterns for leagues, matching teams for home and away is not easy and in some cases, the matches will be very poor.

The RFU Midlands leagues have a different date pattern to the Northern RFU leagues. There is no difference to previous years here, they are always different.
The RFU Midlands leagues have league sizes of 14, 12 and 8 with Sandbach, Whitchurch, Linley and Crewe & Nantwich.
The RFU Northern leagues have league sizes of 15, 12, 10 and 8.
The National leagues have 16 teams and a different date pattern.

The NOWIRUL leagues have an 8 team league playing 4 times with an interesting pattern of fixtures over 28 weeks. Also a league of 9 teams playing 3 times, again with an interesting fixture pattern over 27 weeks. Another league with 9 teams playing 3 times but a different date pattern and the normal 14 team leagues playing twice.

In the RFU leagues there are 8 different date patterns and 6 different league sizes. In the NOWIRUL leagues there are 4 different date patterns and 3 different league sizes.

This coming season has more variability in date patterns and league sizes than any previous season. With all this variation I don't think that it can be expected that 1st and 2nd teams will get opposite venues the majority of the time and in some cases, the home and away match will be very poor.

The fixture software used, tries every position in the fixture template and counts how many times a 2nd team has an opposite venue to its 1st team. The best position in the fixture template is then chosen manually. Sometimes that best position is already taken by another team so the 2nd best position is used etc.
If there was a unified approach to formulating all fixtures RFU and other leagues then most teams could get their best position but alas not to be.

Just so that folks are prepared and the expectations are not too high :O))
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Re: NOWIRUL fixtures

Postby mattw » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:15 pm

Sounds complex and I certainly don't envy the task! Based on what you're saying, is it possible that some 2 team clubs, which only have 1 pitch at thier disposal, may end up with two simultaneous home games? If that's the case, we'll need to start putting some contingency plans in place asap.
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Re: NOWIRUL fixtures

Postby forumadmin » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:11 pm

Two team clubs are given priority in the matching process. It depends on which leagues your teams are in. If both your teams are in a 14 team league with the same dates then the match could be perfect. If they are in different sized leagues and different dates, then the match will be the best possible but not perfect.

As an example, if your 1st team is in Division 3 South (a 14 team league) and your 2nd team is in 5 East (a 9 team league playing 3 times) the match won't be perfect.

Here is a table showing the number of times a team in a 14 team league has an opposite venue with a team in the 9 team league 5 playing 3 times.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16GXEEQgmxo-FKhXFAfGD0jL50hB2RJSN3yeBOsj5z0E/edit?usp=sharing

A perfect match would be 26 times. As you can see the best is 22 times and the worst best is 19 times.

Manual intervention may achieve a perfect match but it will be at the expense of the home and away balance for other clubs. eg they may get three or more games at home or away.
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Re: NOWIRUL fixtures

Postby mattw » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:24 pm

Thanks for this. That is exactly our scenario, down to the correct divisions! I'll make sure we start thinking of potential alternative venues. I imagine our local clubs may be able to assist.
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Re: NOWIRUL fixtures

Postby forumadmin » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:05 pm

It is amazing what a bit detective work with Google comes up with. :0))

It can be more or less guaranteed that you will get 22 out 26 opposite venues. It may be possible to fix the other 4.
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Re: NOWIRUL fixtures

Postby forumadmin » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:08 pm

If anyone is wondering where the fixtures for NOWIRUL Division 1 downwards are, they are waiting for the release of the North RFU fixtures for South Lancs & Cheshire 1 & 2 and North Lancs 1. There is a 2nd team in every league from Division 1 down who have a 1st team in the SLC 2 & 3 and North Lancs 1.

It should not take more than a couple of hours to produce the rest of the NOWIRUL fixtures once the rest of the RFU fixtures are released.
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Re: NOWIRUL fixtures

Postby Bubble » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:36 pm

forumadmin wrote:If anyone is wondering where the fixtures for NOWIRUL Division 1 downwards are, they are waiting for the release of the North RFU fixtures for South Lancs & Cheshire 1 & 2 and North Lancs 1.


Why does it take so long to get these RFU league fixtures out? Do they not know which teams go in which league yet?
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Re: NOWIRUL fixtures

Postby 373 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:13 am

My understanding of the situation is that Lancs and Cheshire are having a bit of a stand off - One side want there to be a Cheshire Division and a Lancs Division the first half of the season, (the top x (not sure on the number) in Cheshire play the top x from Lancs while the bottom x play the bottom x in the second half. It's something that Yorkshire are trialling in their Div 4 this year.)

The other side want to keep it as is.
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Re: NOWIRUL fixtures

Postby keendartfan » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:27 am

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Re: NOWIRUL fixtures

Postby Alarm86 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:00 pm

The problem is the Lancashire North League.

Last year it operated with only 11 clubs as Pendle and Hutton both folded prior to season commencement.

Then at the end of the season 2016-17 two clubs were promoted from this league (Tarleton and, having won the play off, Burnley) yet none were relegated from North Lancs/Cumbria as it was Cumbrian sides that filled the bottom 3 places.

Then two clubs left the RFU league structure to enter the NOWIRUL structure, which reduced the league to seven clubs.

AS I'm sure you'll all agree, a totally unsustainable situation, for seven clubs with 7 clubhouses to maintain.

The Lancashire clubs then informed the league of their intentions to join the South Lancs/Cheshire set up as the only viable option.

As we all know, politics then intervened, and these 7 clubs are still left in limbo not knowing where they will be playing.
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